Posts by still wondering

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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers

by MillennialDawn in

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i would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.

david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.

just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.

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Does anyone remember John Blaney CO, quite a large fellow with the ability to persuade anyone smaller than himself.

I'm sure he could sell snow to the Eskimos.

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Are Watchtower library CD's of any use.

by still wondering in

i have 8 watchtower library cd's from 1997 to 2009 and barbara anderson's "secrets of paedophilia" cd which i no longer require.

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if anyone wants them in the uk please let me know and i will send them for free rather than dump them..

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No one has contacted me yet. I'll post them free to anyone that can make use of them else in the garbage bin they go.

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Are Watchtower library CD's of any use.

by still wondering in

i have 8 watchtower library cd's from 1997 to 2009 and barbara anderson's "secrets of paedophilia" cd which i no longer require.

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if anyone wants them in the uk please let me know and i will send them for free rather than dump them..

Are Watchtower library CD's of any use.

by still wondering in

i have 8 watchtower library cd's from 1997 to 2009 and barbara anderson's "secrets of paedophilia" cd which i no longer require.

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if anyone wants them in the uk please let me know and i will send them for free rather than dump them..

still wondering

I have 8 Watchtower library CD's from 1997 to 2009 and Barbara Anderson's "Secrets of Paedophilia" CD which I no longer require.

If anyone wants them in the UK please let me know and I will send them for free rather than dump them.

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my old account was silent and i had to create a new account which kind of bums me, but here i am.. over the years i've really experienced some rough times emotionally and spiritually which led me down many paths.

being angry most all of time with a few outbursts really started to make me take stock of what was wrong with me.

further i started really going back and trying to figure out where i went wrong.. so i revisted all my previous posts on here.

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If a Satanic cult is the true religion then for sure the WTBTS is the nearest there is to the true religion so why not go back, rejoin and swear never to say anything nasty or unkind about the FDS ever again. After almost 20 years to figure things out and failing you clearly need help to take a grown-up attitude towards your responsibility for your family and their mental health. Right here is one such place. Lets hope others can contribute to that. Keep reading.

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No questions tolerated. Three self-appointed judges announce death sentence for crime.

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we sent this letter to all the elders after they decided that we deserved to die for asking questions that they either could not answer, despite their declared extensive knowledge of the scriptures, or else were too embarrassed to admit the answers.

needless to say we never received a reply or heard from them again.

i post this in the hope it may help others to come to terms with their situation.. “some months ago manny visited us.

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We sent this letter to all the elders after they decided that we deserved to die for asking questions that they either could not answer, despite their declared extensive knowledge of the scriptures, or else were too embarrassed to admit the answers. Needless to say we never received a reply or heard from them again.

I post this in the hope it may help others to come to terms with their situation.

“Some months ago Manny visited us. He gave the impression that he was interested in offering help. We stated that we were unable to reconcile the internal inconsistencies and the occurrence of numerous self contradictions that have appeared in the publications.

His attempt to prevent us from explaining the problems we have by his constant interruptions demonstrated his intention of preventing any possibility of having an intelligent and rational discussion.

He simply refused to allow us to explain the problems and is still completely ignorant of what they are although he obviously thinks he does. But then ignorance is bliss and as stated in Prov 18:13 “Whoever gives an answer before he listens is stupid and shameful.” Instead he repeatedly tried to change the subject so preventing us from explaining the problem.

In his position as an elder he failed to provide any help of any kind whatsoever. It is pitiable that despite his years he has failed to grasp the simple concept that changing the subject is in no way a substitute for answering the issue at hand, if only he had listened long enough to know what it is.

Denny stated that there are seven million witnesses who can’t all be wrong. If it is large numbers that impress then one billion Catholics would have far greater reason to use the same fallacious argument.

It was most inappropriate that Manny recounted the details of his prior conversation with Gerald Clapp. This should have remained confidential. The ability to maintain confidentiality is an absolute essential thus clearly demonstrating that he lacks the requisite qualifications. No doubt in time our conversation will be similarly recounted to others.

By your actions you have now passed judgment on us and deemed us unworthy of life. Why? Because we followed the Apostle Johns advice in 1 John to “test every inspired expression” and for imitating the Boreans when checking out Pauls inspired words.

Logically there is an even greater scriptural need to check information that is declared by its writers as not inspired. Since when has reading past Watchtower publications been considered dangerous to ones faith? The Organisation is built on the faith of those who wrote and read those very same publications.

You state that to do or say anything that will weaken another’s faith is a very serious matter. Your actions in this matter are clearly calculated not to strengthen ours. That is a matter of the gravest consequences for you and a matter that you need to contemplate urgently. For your sake I hope you will do that while you are still able.

Those who make a pretence of being a spiritual shepherd and attempt to meddle in the lives of others ultimately will reap the consequences of their fraud. Attempting to bring ruin to others will assuredly bring ruin on their own heads just as Jesus warned, “For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap”.

In your parochial minds you have attempted to vilify us and have now deemed us as worthy only of death for being honest and expressing our confusion. Jesus words at Matt 7 aptly describe the situation. “Neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open”. We clearly failed to correctly identify the true nature of those who we were conversing with. In attempting to vilify others you are simply condemning yourself.

Prior to being disfellowshiped a person has future life prospects ahead. Once disfellowshiped one has only eternal death, the 2nd death in Gehenna ahead. The committee’s decision is to place us on death row just waiting for execution.

What can bring on such a dire judgement, such a sudden death sentence? For no other reason than for pointing out the confusing nature of what the current Watchtower says, viewed as THE TRUTH, which is different from what a previous Watchtower said, also viewed as THE TRUTH, and which in turn was different again from a previous Watchtower to that but at the time was also viewed as THE TRUTH. With the truth so plastic, changing, fluctuating, oscillating and in some cases reverting back decades, the truth rather than becoming brighter and clearer became confusing and less clear. This is difficult to understand.

For three people, three grown men, to call themselves a judicial committee and then imagine that they are now elevated and endowed with such powers of life and death is laughable in the extreme. Such arrogance is pitiable. To individuals who give credence to curses and spells cast by witch doctors they would no doubt now be fearful of and trembling at the powers of life and death any such committee imagines it wields and its edicts.

You very much need to think seriously about the consequences to yourself of ignoring Jesus words that “for with what judgment you are judging, you will be judged; and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.” Only a fool would take lightly such a stern warning from he who is the Judge of all mankind.

Your lack of the identifying feature of Christ’s disciples, love, clearly unmasks those who have fallen away from Christ’s commands, the real apostates.

In this matter you have displayed the same level of Christlike qualities as did those who held spiritual power in the first century, absolutely none. The committee has identified itself as composed of “spiritual lepers”. For such clear Pharisaic hypocrisy we can only regard you as such.

I earnestly hope that you will show remorse and seek forgiveness for such judgemental arrogance. Only then can you possibly be healed from such a spiritually loathsome and diseased condition. You must know the Proverb that summarised Satan’s problem, states, “Pride is before a crash and a haughty spirit before stumbling.”

Beryl and Clive”

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5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale

by usualusername1 in

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i had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.

price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.

am in shock.

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I too was in Caterham for many years, left about 2002, donated many hours (months) working on the original conversion from a borstal. I remember the dedication ceremony and the big nosh up that followed. When I left 1 hall had already closed. Huge waste of everyone's time and financial resources but an absolute godsend for a real estate cult masquerading as a religion. Clearly Jehovah is blessing them as He provides the necessary funds to pay their child abuse compensation costs and legal fees. Wouldn't want nasty ole Satan bankrupting Gods spirit directed organisation.

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Disfellowshiped--- Go straight to Gehenna, do not pass go, do not collect £200.

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seriously, does anyone know the current wt determined destiny and wt reference to disfellowshiped individuals?.

are they still viewed as deserving of the 2nd death either on their own natural death or on being murdered and used as bird food any day now.

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An individual is to suffer the most severe penalty. He is condemned to DEATH. He is now on death row just waiting to be executed.

Why? For no other reason than holding a different view to that 'currently' held by the WT. Actually for pointing out that the current view, which is declared as the TRUTH, is radically different from the previous view which was also declared as the TRUTH.

Three uneducated, unqualified 'elders', one of whom is not long out of nappies, another barely literate, take about 30 minutes to decide that nothing less than the death penalty is deserved for such outrageous offence.

Such a policy of zero tolerance can be enforced only by mindless thugs of zero rationality.

The quality of love, much written about in their WT and natural to most humans, is totally absent from their edicts.

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Disfellowshiped--- Go straight to Gehenna, do not pass go, do not collect £200.

by still wondering in

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seriously, does anyone know the current wt determined destiny and wt reference to disfellowshiped individuals?.

are they still viewed as deserving of the 2nd death either on their own natural death or on being murdered and used as bird food any day now.

still wondering

Seriously, does anyone know the current WT determined destiny and WT reference to disfellowshiped individuals?

Are they still viewed as deserving of the 2 nd death either on their own natural death or on being murdered and used as bird food any day now.

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My sisters funeral service was just appalling. An absolute disgrace.

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my sisters' funeral service was just appalling.

an absolute disgrace.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical/216561/1/my-sister-died-this-morning-after-refusing-blood-on-four-occasions.

the funeral was held today for my sister when every opportunity was used as a sales pitch to promote their malignant message, in this case to any non jw's that may be present, just like any other pyramid scam it seems.. the person whose funeral it is just has a minor bit part to play compared to the main feature , the promotion of the all encompassing multi-talented multi-tentacled wts that you can rely on to guide misguide and pervade every nook and cranny of your life including when to die.. and why not, because as gods only prophet to all mankind, they don't just hear gods voice, they are gods voice.. ***watchtower 1957 june 15 p.370*** "it is vital that we respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of god.

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Poztate

No it was not at the KH but at the crematorium. The speaker was even more reprehensible as he was the elder that had officiated at her wedding just over a year earlier. She had remained single to put service (servitude) to the WTS first in her life. What a waste.

Despite her family being at the funeral we were all non-existent as far as the speaker was concerned.